Open Carry Law and Concealed Weapon argument (you tube video)

by admin on March 12, 2010

Is open carry law that allows an individual to openly carry a holstered gun in jeopardy of being charged every time an individual feels threatened by the sight of a gun?

Could it be that our society as a whole has  been made to feel fearful at the sight of an open gun  with school, workplace, and govermental shooting that have taken innocent lives?

Should we change the law that will not allow undercover or plain clothes officer open carry if it makes others feel uncomfortable? More and more our liberties and freedoms are melting away under the scorching light of liberalism who feel(keyword is feel) that openly carried guns are threatening and annoying to the general public.

This argument reminds me of all those who scream and kick about how the lawyers are ruining this country(which some may be) with their ridiculous lawsuits and “ambulance chasing.” People quit screaming and kicking when they need a lawyer to help them out of a legal situation.

A college student who goes by the internet name MajorNickMo earlier this week posted his account and a you tube video of a confrontation with a College Cop at Utah Valley University.  Read the transcript at the bottom and the videos that were taken by MajorNickMo as he attempts to education Corporal Igmo
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I had just left a planning meeting with UVU student government for the upcoming Bob Bennett vs. Everyone else, Senatorial debate that our club is hosting, (April 2nd 12:00 @ UVU–shameless plug) when I took a ladder from the “Publicity Room” to adjust some of our club’s banners that hang in the hallways. I was 15 feet from returning to the UVUSA offices when a VERY anxious cop approached me and very abruptly asked, “Can I see some I.D.?” So, not knowing whether I was required to show him I.D. or not while on campus, I complied and handed him my UVU ID and my CFP (I didn’t think he was stopping me for carrying a ladder lol), then he said “No, I want your drivers license,” and handed me back my UVU ID but he held on to my CFP. He then asked me why I had a gun on me and I said, “As a safety precaution, just like wearing my seatbelt.” He then said, “No, why do you have it at school???” (meanwhile I’m holding a 10 foot ladder, wearing a heavy backpack and 2 FACULTY members walk by, say “hi” to me and two friends as well, ALL WHILE THIS COP IS ON THE VERGE OF TAZING ME!)

[It sucked because I was looking so incredibly guilty standing there in the hallway at the exact spot where all these people on campus whom I have told over and over again that OC is legal (with a CFP) and with whom I have built relationships of trust with about OCing, were seeing me be detained right where I interact with all of them on nearly a daily basis. GRRRR all that trust got thrown out the window today icon sad Open Carry Law and Concealed Weapon argument (you tube video) ]

Back on point: I told the cop, politely, that the reason I have a gun at school is because I am within my legal right to do so and because a majority of mass shootings have occurred on college campuses–and I don’t want to be a victim. At this point, and I’m not exaggerating when I say this, the cop was acting like he was just WAITING for me to make a wrong move or say something flippant so he would have an excuse to tackle me to the ground. I told him, AT LEAST THREE TIMES that it is completely legal for me to OC on UVU’s campus because I have a CFP. He said he was going to give me a citation for disorderly conduct because they got a MWAG call and that I was absolutely wrong about OC on campus. At this point I started to get freaked out because the officer wasn’t even allowing me to explain or use any logic, and his emotions were escalating VERY RAPIDLY. Thank goodness another officer arrived, who was much more level headed (but still didn’t understand the law). Realizing that this wasn’t going to be a 30 second stop, I remembered from reading previous threads on UCC.com that I should record any encounters with police. So I pulled out my iPhone, as casually as I could, and pressed record.

I apologize for the jumpiness at points in the video, I couldn’t see if I was getting the officer’s “in the shot” or not, and you might need to turn up the volume full blast to hear it all, I accidentally covered up the mic at times and I didn’t get a shot of the first officer (the one that scared the crap out of me) but you can hear him speak up about charging me with disorderly conduct AND trespassing later on in the clip.

Now, I know that by posting this I am subjecting myself to public scorn and ridicule. I know there will be comments like, “Well, if it had been me, I would have said this…” and “You should have said this and this…” Please understand that I am a college student, nothing more, and that by the time I pressed record I was pretty shaken up by the first officer.
Looking back and listening to the clip I can think of at least a dozen different things that I wish I had said too…
Also understand, that when I did start recording, I was trying to deescalate a very tense situation that the previous officer had built up, and simply get the second officer to do most of the talking so I could have him put all of his opinions on the record, because the LAW was clearly no longer being discussed.
I know there are a lot of you on this forum who, when you hear some of the officers’ comments, are going to pull your hair out…The recording starts with the second officer telling me that I’m giving OC “a bad name.”

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